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Postby Dennis King » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:41 pm

I see in the flyer that the trustees now say 500 people come a day. I thought it was 400?

Whenever I drive by, I am hard pressed to see more than 10 cars there. I have passed there many different times but since, no big crowd.

I would recommend archiving some of the collection, getting rid of the meeting room and using it for storage and holding meetings in the school. I would also recommend selling the land and giving back the 2.5 million in capitial reserve.

From what I can see, our library does a fine job but I would like to see filters on the computers and say $100,000 taken from their 1.5 million budget. They had $75,000 "extra" this year and I think this should go to the taxpayers.

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Postby Jeannine Stergios » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:43 pm

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My sister went to the library every week for a year and never saw more than 10 people in there. I asked her about that again today to be sure.
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Postby Dennis King » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:48 pm

In fairness to Pat, If the library is open 10 hours per day, that is 50 people an hour or nearly 1 person every minute. I can not see how that is possible given my observations. Perhaps lots of kids come in to look at the computers after school. They would have no cars and this might explain some of the numbers. I bet they would get far less kids if they put filters to block my space and other bad sites.

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Postby andysinnh » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:27 pm

A couple of thoughts here:

First, I think that the car traffic that they refer to may include what I'll call a pass-thru business - meaning folks that come by to drop off books into the slot at the desk. I see a lot of "double parking" while someone goes inside to drop books/tapes during regular hours. I also see cars driving thru to pick kids up, so that may contribute to Dennis' idea about kids walking.

But if you think about it, look at what typically happens in the library. Let's say there are 15 cars in the lot, and someone goes in and out of the library every 4 minutes. This means that after an hour, those 15 cars cycle completely through (on average). If you look at a 10 hour business day, that means 150 people based on that 15 car average volume. If you then add in factors like more than 1 person in a car, or the peak times when the lot gets packed, and then the kids that come down with their bikes or walking, then the numbers aren't so far away from what's posted.

Hey, I'm not sure I'm voting for the library due to the financial situation now, but I also don't think that the pro-library folks are flat-out making up their data either....

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Postby Michael Pelletier » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:37 pm

Maybe someone just needs to pick a day, pack a lunch, set up a lawn chair, and do an independent all-day count with a little clicker. Maybe it could be a team effort, with shifts through the day.

I gather that part of the reason the library's collection has quadrupled in recent years is that they stopped their previous practice of getting rid of books that hadn't been checked out in years.
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Postby Dennis King » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:42 pm

Andy, If you are right, the walk in's could be the real basis for the numbers. I suggest other people drive by and count the cars.

If we have a new library, we would have a whole lot more empty parking spaces and the daily numbers would prpbably DROP since the kids are not likely to walk that great distance from school.


Come to think of it, the ONLY time I saw a full lot was when they had a guest speaker. The lower lot was full but parking was available just past the cans for kids. Now if they booked the events at the school instead of the library, there would be no problem with parking.

We need to rethink this. The new library is too big, too expensive, and too far away.
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Postby Jeannine Stergios » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:47 pm

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I bet they would get far less kids if they put filters to block my space and other bad sites.


Funny you should mention that. My son's friend (age 14) was over for dinner last weekend and he said his friends go to the library to look at porn on the computers. :shock:
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Postby Dennis King » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:05 am

Jeannine, My kids say the same thing.

I have filters on there computers and I regularly check the computer history files to make sure. I remain baffled that the library will not do what most parents do to protect their kids.

Parents try to keep their kids away from danger.

Imagine having to keep your kids away from the library for fear they will go on a wrong chat wrong or see inapproprite material.

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Postby Michael Pelletier » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:56 am

A problem with filters is that they can become politicized. For example, a student doing a report on firearms technology during the Revolutionary War might wind up blocked because there's very odd people out there who think information about firearms is equilvalent to barnyard porn, Article 2-a notwithstanding.

Likewise, the filters often lack sufficient nuance to distinguish between medical information, such as pages about breast cancer, and prurient porn.

We're not the first library to face this issue, so I would hope that the library board would consult with other libraries in addressing it.

This should probably be promptly addressed, as RSA 650:2 makes it a misdemeanor to "make available" any "obscene material," although the library may be exempted from criminal liability under 650:4-I.
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Postby Dennis King » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:28 pm

Michael Pelletier wrote:A problem with filters is that they can become politicized. For example, a student doing a report on firearms technology during the Revolutionary War might wind up blocked because there's very odd people out there who think information about firearms is equilvalent to barnyard porn, Article 2-a notwithstanding.

Likewise, the filters often lack sufficient nuance to distinguish between medical information, such as pages about breast cancer, and prurient porn.

We're not the first library to face this issue, so I would hope that the library board would consult with other libraries in addressing it.

This should probably be promptly addressed, as RSA 650:2 makes it a misdemeanor to "make available" any "obscene material," although the library may be exempted from criminal liability under 650:4-I.


Mike, Filters are not perfect but you have a librarian who can unblock it if you want a certain subject. I prefer having an adult make that call.

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Postby Sybil Spence Rocca » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:41 pm

Does anyone know who owns the property next door to the library? You know, the building that was once a pizza place and then a sportscard, memorabilia store?

Has anyone ever approched this person to see if that property could be purchased? That land could be used for building expansion and more parking. Just a thought.
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Postby Dennis King » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:17 pm

Wow, what a great idea, sure wish I thought of it. Just another example of thinking outside of the box. Way to go Sybil, great idea!

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Postby Linda Nickerson » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:28 pm

I think someone lives in that building.....
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Postby Dennis King » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:45 pm

Bob had a successful card store for quite a time and he was great to the kids who came there to hang out. He left about 3 or 4 years ago. That would have been a great time to check this out. I bet the cost of extending the existing building , and clearing the lot out would have been half the cost of a new library and they would have an extra building for the SAU office they secretly want.

Just another missed opportunity because it was not what they already decided they wanted.

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