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Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:05 pm
by quickhippo
Ok, the TC seems to think that the transfer station is a burden on this town. And the condo owners and private curbside users think the TS is a burden on them. So the TC has now forced PAYT on the self haulers and the town TC, condo owners, and private curbside users are happy(er).

Ok, now the self haulers are unhappy. They see themselves now having to pay $2-$3 a week on average plus fuel plus time to use the transfer station where before it was free (well at least psychologically). What will happen is %50 of the self haulers will now use private curbside services because the cost difference will between self hauling and paying for a service will be reduced by about half.

At this point I think we have to ask ourselves why we are keeping the transfer station open. I realize we have invested substantial $$$ in the property, but if we as a town are serious about PAYT as a way to save money we should look at the bigger picture. The number of transfer station users is going to most likely drop by half. We could save some serious $$$ by closing the station and eliminating multiple union employee positions! There are private services that will haul away bulk items. I see no reason to keep this station open when you look at the money that could be saved by eliminating these positions. Anyone know how many full time employees work at the transfer station??

If the TC, the condo owners and the private curbside users can get behind PAYT, I would suspect that they should all be able to stand behind the idea of closing the TS as they will see an even bigger savings on their trash bill. And for the self haulers, well 50% will be moving to private curbside with the implementation of PAYT and well the remaining 50% I guess will just be unhappy. Maybe some of the remaining 50% of self haulers will even get behind it when they see the savings from the staff reductions. Thoughts?

-h

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:03 am
by Joel
I'd love to have CS pick up instead of driving to the opposite end of the town to dump my trash. I pay for the TS in my taxes and I don't use the schools so I would like a return on my investment somewhere.

The last town I lived in out of state gave me a pretty blue bin with the town logo on it and Sunday nights I rolled my trash bin and recycling bin to the curb and I was done. I can't do that here. If I go curbside, which I probably will if PAYT goes through, I'll not be able to recycle. I think recycling is important but I'm not going to burn the gas or waste my time to travel across town to do it when I'm paying for CS. I'm all for curbside with a recycling component provided by the town if we close the TS. Sure would save me a lot of time!

Problem I've had with the whole PAYT thing from the beginning is it uses the a la carte model for taxation ("fee"ation). Again, I'm all for that because I'd get a 70% tax cut right off the bat since I've never used the schools and never will. You don't want to pay for my trash? Fine, I don't want to pay for your kid's AP biology class either. If you really look at this argument it makes perfect sense, but for reasons of past history regarding the CS/TS vote and arguments, a lot of you are entrenched in separate camps and won't see it.

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:02 pm
by tim dutton
Joel,

So call one of the curb side haulers in the area for pickup

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:00 pm
by TonyRichardson
Joel wrote:I'd love to have CS pick up instead of driving to the opposite end of the town to dump my trash. I pay for the TS in my taxes and I don't use the schools so I would like a return on my investment somewhere.

The last town I lived in out of state gave me a pretty blue bin with the town logo on it and Sunday nights I rolled my trash bin and recycling bin to the curb and I was done. I can't do that here. If I go curbside, which I probably will if PAYT goes through, I'll not be able to recycle. I think recycling is important but I'm not going to burn the gas or waste my time to travel across town to do it when I'm paying for CS. I'm all for curbside with a recycling component provided by the town if we close the TS. Sure would save me a lot of time!

Problem I've had with the whole PAYT thing from the beginning is it uses the a la carte model for taxation ("fee"ation). Again, I'm all for that because I'd get a 70% tax cut right off the bat since I've never used the schools and never will. You don't want to pay for my trash? Fine, I don't want to pay for your kid's AP biology class either. If you really look at this argument it makes perfect sense, but for reasons of past history regarding the CS/TS vote and arguments, a lot of you are entrenched in separate camps and won't see it.


There are CS haulers you can contract with to recyle through.

Waste Management is one I believe.

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:13 pm
by Joel
Thanks for the advice folks. Maybe you missed my point though. That's ok. I'm sure March 9th may change things.

I'll pass along my advice: Go call a private tutor to teach your kid Biology and we'll both be happy,

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:06 pm
by Debra Huffman
There are so many posts on so many thread about PAYT that I haven't even tried to follow them all, so forgive me if this was covered elsewhere but I have a question: Before I vote for or against PAYT, I would like to be assured that some form of TS will continue to exist in town. When I get a new appliance or TV, I would never want to place the packaging on the street. Seems an invitation to thieves.

I believe many of us self-haulers will continue to self-haul because we just don't like putting our trash out for the world to see. We recycle extensively, so I don't expect to use many bags anyway, and it has always bothered me that everyone who pays for curbside has to also pick up the tab for my trash. So I'm ok with PAYT even though it will cost me more personally.

FYI, home life is such that I don't have time or interest to argue about PAYT, I'm just expressing my hope that the TS will stay open maybe one day/week, even if usage drops significantly.

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:07 pm
by joeteacher73
Debra,

I don't think all sell-haulers will continue to recycle in the new environment. With PAYT, there are many obstacles being placed upon former self-haulers. First, there is the cost and hassle of getting proper bags. Given this new impediment, I suspect many will give up self-hauling and hire someone to pick up their refuse. The question then becomes, will my new trash vendor pick-up non-separated recyclables? I doubt that this case is possible from my informal survey of vendors. It then follows that people may forgo the trip to the dump just to drop off recyclables. (It may have been palatable to take the trip for trash and recyclables but it may not be so for just recyclables) I wish that the TC would have done more research before coming up with this new policy.

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:34 am
by Fitzie
joeteacher73 wrote:Debra,

I don't think all sell-haulers will continue to recycle in the new environment. With PAYT, there are many obstacles being placed upon former self-haulers. First, there is the cost and hassle of getting proper bags. Given this new impediment, I suspect many will give up self-hauling and hire someone to pick up their refuse. The question then becomes, will my new trash vendor pick-up non-separated recyclables? I doubt that this case is possible from my informal survey of vendors. It then follows that people may forgo the trip to the dump just to drop off recyclables. (It may have been palatable to take the trip for trash and recyclables but it may not be so for just recyclables) I wish that the TC would have done more research before coming up with this new policy.


All true....but there are private CS companies that pickup recycling and a town-wide contract (an eventuality) absolutely would include this.

I 100% GUARANTEE a single contract for town-wide CS would result in:

Lower total costs
Lower volumes
Higher recycling % AND volumes

There is absolutely no doubt of this, it's been proven in thousands of communities.

The argument that PAYT at the TS will reduce recycling pales in comparison. That, and remember that if it WERE PAYT only those choosing NOT to recycle would be footing the bill, not their neighbor with CS or who DOES recycle.

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:37 pm
by Tom Mahon
There will be provision for disposal of large items, electronics, brush and leaves.

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:03 pm
by tooth350
Yes tom but you already charge 10 dollars for those big items refigs,tires,electronics, thATS 10 DOLLARS EACH. Do you send those items to say metal yards and get the money for that going to the town?

Re: Shutdown The Transfer Station

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:45 pm
by andysinnh
tooth350 wrote:Yes tom but you already charge 10 dollars for those big items refigs,tires,electronics, thATS 10 DOLLARS EACH. Do you send those items to say metal yards and get the money for that going to the town?

If I remember correctly, they only charge for large items that cost the town money to dispose of. Electronics require special disposal. Tires cost $$ to dispose of. And you can leave any large appliance for free UNLESS it has a sealed refrigerant system (fridge, A/C, Freezer, dehumidifier), as the disposal of those cost $$ as well.

andy