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Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:32 am

Interesting perspective on Obama by Mr. Patrick Buchanan. He has been a strong critic of Bush and now unloads on Obama. I am wondering how Roman Catholics feel about Buchanan's case against Obama?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27992#c1


Catholic Case Against Barack
08/12/2008


In the Pennsylvania primary, Barack Obama rolled up more than 90 percent of the African-American vote. Among Catholics, he lost by 40 points. The cool liberal Harvard Law grad was not a good fit for the socially conservative ethnics of Altoona, Aliquippa and Johnstown.

But if Barack had a problem with Catholics then, he has a far higher hurdle to surmount in the fall, with those millions of Catholics who still take their faith and moral code seriously.

For not only is Barack the most pro-abortion member of the Senate, with his straight A+ report card from the National Abortion Rights Action League and Planned Parenthood. He supports the late-term procedure known as partial-birth abortion, where the baby's skull is stabbed with scissors in the birth canal and the brains are sucked out to end its life swiftly and ease passage of the corpse into the pan.

Partial-birth abortion, said the late Sen. Pat Moynihan, "comes as close to infanticide as anything I have seen in our judiciary."

Yet, when Congress was voting to ban this terrible form of death for a mature fetus, Michelle Obama was signing fundraising letters pledging that, if elected, Barack would be "tireless" in keeping legal this "legitimate medical procedure."

And Barack did not let the militants down. When the Supreme Court upheld the congressional ban on this barbaric procedure, Barack denounced the court for denying "equal rights for women."

As David Freddoso reports in his new best-seller, "The Case Against Barack Obama," the Illinois senator goes further than any U.S. senator has dared go in defending what John Paul II called the "culture of death."

Thrice in the Illinois legislature, Obama helped block a bill that was designed solely to protect the life of infants already born, and outside the womb, who had miraculously survived the attempt to kill them during an abortion. Thrice, Obama voted to let doctors and nurses allow these tiny human beings die of neglect and be tossed out with the medical waste.

How can a man who purports to be a Christian justify this?

If, as its advocates contend, abortion has to remain legal to protect the life and health, mental and physical, of the mother, how is a mother's life or health in the least threatened by a baby no longer inside her -- but lying on a table or in a pan fighting for life and breath?

How is it essential for the life or health of a woman that her baby, who somehow survived the horrible ordeal of abortion, be left to die or put to death? Yet, that is what Obama voted for, thrice, in the Illinois Senate.

When a bill almost identical to the one Barack fought in Illinois, the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, came to the floor of the U.S. Senate in 2001, the vote was 98 to 0 in favor. Barbara Boxer, the most pro-abortion member of the Senate before Barack came, spoke out on its behalf:

"Of course, we believe everyone should deserve the protection of this bill. ... Who could be more vulnerable than a newborn baby? So, of course, we agree with that. ... We join with an 'aye' vote on this. I hope it will, in fact, be unanimous."

Obama says he opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act because he feared it might imperil Roe v. Wade. But if Roe v. Wade did allow infanticide or murder, which is what letting a tiny baby die of neglect or killing it outright amounts to, why would he not want that court decision reviewed and amended to outlaw infanticide?

Is the right to an abortion so sacrosanct to Obama that killing by neglect or snuffing out of the life of tiny babies outside the womb must be protected if necessary to preserve that right?
Obama is an abortion absolutist. "I could find no instance in his entire career," writes Freddoso, "in which he voted for any regulation or restriction on the practice of abortion."


In 2007, Barack pledged that, in his first act as president, he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which would cancel every federal, state or local regulation or restriction on abortion. The National Organization for Women says it would abolish all restrictions on government funding of abortion.

What we once called God's Country would become the nation on earth most zealously committed to an unrestricted right of abortion from conception to birth.


Before any devout Catholic, Evangelical Christian or Orthodox Jew votes for Obama, he or she might spend 15 minutes in Chapter 10 of Freddoso's "Case Against Barack." For if, as Catholics believe, abortion is the killing of an unborn child, and participation in an abortion entails automatic excommunication, how can a good Catholic support a candidate who will appoint justices to make Roe v. Wade eternal and eliminate all restrictions on a practice Catholics legislators have fought for three decades to curtail?

And which Catholic priests and prelates will it be who give invocations at Obama rallies, even as Mother Church fights to save the lives of unborn children whom Obama believes have no right to life and no rights at all?
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Jeannine Stergios » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:41 am

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If Obama is/was as devout a Christian as he has claimed to be then why would he support partial birth abortion? Doesn't that seem in direct contradiction?
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Michael Thompson » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:18 pm

Jeannine Stergios wrote:platypus

If Obama is/was as devout a Christian as he has claimed to be then why would he support partial birth abortion? Doesn't that seem in direct contradiction?



The bible speaks of support towards slavary, many Christians don't support that, is that a direct contradiction by these people?
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:07 pm

Michael Thompson wrote:
Jeannine Stergios wrote:platypus

If Obama is/was as devout a Christian as he has claimed to be then why would he support partial birth abortion? Doesn't that seem in direct contradiction?



The bible speaks of support towards slavary, many Christians don't support that, is that a direct contradiction by these people?


I am not sure what this point has to do with Obama's support of late term abortions? This is the issue.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby RD » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:42 pm

platypusman wrote:
Jeannine Stergios wrote:platypus

If Obama is/was as devout a Christian as he has claimed to be then why would he support partial birth abortion? Doesn't that seem in direct contradiction?

I am not sure what this point has to do with Obama's support of late term abortions? This is the issue.

You're directing this post to Jeannine, right?
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Michael Thompson » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:46 pm

platypusman wrote:
Michael Thompson wrote:
Jeannine Stergios wrote:platypus

If Obama is/was as devout a Christian as he has claimed to be then why would he support partial birth abortion? Doesn't that seem in direct contradiction?



The bible speaks of support towards slavary, many Christians don't support that, is that a direct contradiction by these people?


I am not sure what this point has to do with Obama's support of late term abortions? This is the issue.


It seems to me that Jeannine is trying to make a point that the bible is the end all. However if it is ok for devote christians to not believe in slavery (which is shown to be ok in the bible) but try to point out that the bible is against abortion, to me this seems contradictory.

It can't be ok to not approve of slavery and expect that someone else must approve of everything in the bible.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:28 am

RD my point was made to Mr. Thompson who seems to obfuscate the fact Obama supports late term abortions.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Michael Thompson » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:35 am

platypusman wrote:RD my point was made to Mr. Thompson who seems to obfuscate the fact Obama supports late term abortions.


Jeannine used the bible as a reason that he shouldn't support abortions.

I asked her thought on if it was OK that Christians don't support slavery even though the bible states it is OK.

My point is that if a true Christian must be against abortion because of the Bible, then that true Christian must support everything in the bible including slavery. Which I don't believe there are many people that would support slavery as a good philosophy.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:37 pm

Whatever.....

The point is Obama supports late term abortions and opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. What kind of person supports these?
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Michael Thompson » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:01 pm

platypusman wrote:Whatever.....

The point is Obama supports late term abortions and opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. What kind of person supports these?


Do you have a link to the Born Alive Infancts Protection Act, I would like to read it. If you don't I will track down the reference number for the bill.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:32 pm

Michael Thompson wrote:
platypusman wrote:Whatever.....

The point is Obama supports late term abortions and opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. What kind of person supports these?


Do you have a link to the Born Alive Infancts Protection Act, I would like to read it. If you don't I will track down the reference number for the bill.


There is much written on the internet and you can read the similar US bill which passed unanimously. The Illinois bill had the same language, I looked it up, and Obama voted against it.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Wayne » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:45 pm

platypusman wrote:There is much written on the internet ...

And as we all know, if it's on the internet, it must be true. ;-)
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:05 pm

Wayne wrote:
platypusman wrote:There is much written on the internet ...

And as we all know, if it's on the internet, it must be true. ;-)


Please go to the State of Illinois and read the bill yourself. It is there on the official state site.

Obama vote shows how far out of the mainstream Obama is.
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby Wayne » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:29 pm

Please provide us with the reasoning he gave for his vote. As I've mentioned many times, how someone votes, without the why, tells us little. Stop giving us just half of your "facts".
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Re: Buchanan blasts Obama

Postby platypusman » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:41 pm

You would have to ask him. Based on the 99-0 vote in the US Senate one could say that Obama's affirmative vote supporting infanticide is not in the mainstream of American politics.
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