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The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby Wayne » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:52 pm

I guess this is what some cynics here have been referring to...
The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

By MICHAEL GRUNWALD
Monday, August 4, 2008

How out of touch is Barack Obama? He's so out of touch that he suggested that if all Americans inflated their tires properly and took their cars for regular tune-ups, they could save as much oil as new offshore drilling would produce. Gleeful Republicans have made this their daily talking point; Rush Limbaugh is having a field day; and the Republican National Committee is sending tire gauges labeled "Barack Obama's Energy Plan" to Washington reporters.

But who's really out of touch? The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.

Politics ain't beanbag, and Obama has defended himself against worse smears. The real problem with the attacks on his tire-gauge plan is that efforts to improve conservation and efficiency happen to be the best approaches to dealing with the energy crisis — the cheapest, cleanest, quickest and easiest ways to ease our addiction to oil, reduce our pain at the pump and address global warming. It's a pretty simple concept: if our use of fossil fuels is increasing our reliance on Middle Eastern dictators while destroying the planet, maybe we ought to use less.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby andysinnh » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:28 pm

Drill early, drill often - it's the right thing to do. Yea, and run your tires at 10 psi under the recommended level for that smooooooth ride, since we'll have all that extra oil kicking around. Yep, that's the ticket.

Sigh - thanks for posting, Wayne. Alas, this will likely bring forth "independence on foreign oil" and "you don't know what you're talking about" responses.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby platypusman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:21 am

andysinnh wrote:Drill early, drill often - it's the right thing to do. Yea, and run your tires at 10 psi under the recommended level for that smooooooth ride, since we'll have all that extra oil kicking around. Yep, that's the ticket.

Sigh - thanks for posting, Wayne. Alas, this will likely bring forth "independence on foreign oil" and "you don't know what you're talking about" responses.


Andy I have seen many partisans in my day but you sir are one of the strongest to leftist and socialist causes. Please don’t take this as derogatory but merely my observation. Now of my soap box and on to facts.

1> Our economy is dependent on oil and is predicted to remain so for many years by numerous experts
2> Most middle of the road non-radicals seek to lessen oil’s grip on the economy by advocating the use and development of renewable resources
3> Most middle of the road non-radicals accept points one and two and thus advocate tapping into domestic sources to help meet our oil demands
4> Most middle of the road non-radicals would rather lessen the influence Chavez and Middle Eastern Sheiks have by using domestic sources of oil
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby GregRS » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:19 am

Why can't you include personal changes that can further reduce our oil dependency?

1. Tune up your machines that run on gasoline. Even lawnmowers can consume up to 30% more fuel if they are running poorly or have clogged filters.

2. Run tires with proper inflation. This is the easiest conservation method of all ... a no brainer. Have you ever tried to pedal a bicycle when the tire was very low? The same thing applies to our cars.

3. Alter your lifestyle just a teeny-weeny bit to exclude frivolous or redundant errands. Take public transportation when available. Are we so arrogant that we can't become more conservative in this area?

4. When running errands, group them to allow optimal engine operating temperature. Take one trip to run two errands and travel the farthest distance for the first stop. This will allow the engine to warm up and maximize efficiency.

No one believes that we will eliminate the oil dependency using conservation techniques, but doesn't it make sense to use what we need wisely? Sure ... promote exploration for new reserves, but at the same time, promote a smarter, more conservative approach to using those resources. This approach can at least reduce the dependency while we solve the bigger, long-term problem.

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Postby andysinnh » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:24 am

Ya know - I'm not a partisan - I'm just frustrated with the mantra that the only solution is to drill for more oil. That's all I hear. And blaming the democrats at every step. Right now, with the cost of gas going up, it's like this "frenzy" of ways to cut cost - and right now, many conservatives are saying "drill" to cut cost. When the price starts to drop, like it has recently, that "frenzy" by consumers starts to drop. I'm love to see a poll of the US people as the price drops to see if the "drill" belief is still as strong. It goes in waves.

You speak of partisan, platy. Many times I'm on here poking a bit of fun at your ultra-conservative positions, because it's YOU who is so partisan it's not funny. You have specific views, and anyone who sees differently doesn't fit into your agenda. Do I think we need to drill more? Yes, as long as we do so with very thought-out, limited sites that would minimize impacts to industry and environment, with joint decisions by oil companies and by the overall government - it is, afterall, my land and your land. You made an earlier statement in my poll area that we should put our faith in the oil companies, since it wouldn't behoove them to do things enivornmentally "unfriendly" - in other words, trust the "free market". But as this "frenzy" for more oil increases, Platy, the willinginess to throw caution to the wind grows because solving the problem is the only thing people can see. I somewhat tongue-in-cheek talked about that Biffco scenario from Back to the Future - but without rational thinking, we could start heading in that direction. Yes, Texas and Okie folks have oil wells in many places - but should we perpetuate that sort of thinking (most importantly with offshore platforms) without bounds, then I fear we'll be a place with tons of oil, but not a lot of other reasons to want to live here.

Drill more? A bit in sane places. Do I think the dem's tactics in congress are good right now? No, it frustrates me. Am I partisan dem? I'm somewhat leaning away from the repubs these days, mostly because many of their other policies are frustrating the heck out of me. But am I slam-dunk voting for Obama? Not at this point - still a toss up.
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Postby Michael Pelletier » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:00 am

Ya know - I'm not a partisan - I'm just frustrated with the mantra that the only solution is to drill for more oil.

Of course increasing the supply of oil is not the only solution. But even Nancy Pelosi recognizes that it's an essential part, and perhaps the most important part, of the solution, because she wants to pressure Saudi Arabia into increasing production. Never mind that we'll keep sending hundreds of billions of American dollars overseas instead of supporting well-paying skilled labor for American oil workers, that's apparently beside the point.

Throughout the year-long running discussion of this issue, I have advocated efficiency. It's simple economic fact that doubling efficiency in the use of a fuel is exactly equivalent to doubling the supply of the fuel.

So why do we permit 50mpg diesel sedans to remain illegal in most of the US? Why does Massachusetts outlaw the registration of a 100% electric vehicle that can go 25 miles at 40mph? Why does Ted Kennedy seek to block wind power?

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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby platypusman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:01 am

Ya know - I'm not a partisan - I'm just frustrated with the mantra that the only solution is to drill for more oil. That's all I hear. And blaming the democrats at every step. Right now, with the cost of gas going up, it's like this "frenzy" of ways to cut cost - and right now, many conservatives are saying "drill" to cut cost. When the price starts to drop, like it has recently, that "frenzy" by consumers starts to drop. I'm love to see a poll of the US people as the price drops to see if the "drill" belief is still as strong. It goes in waves.


Andy I guess I apologize but my interpretation of your rhetoric is it is acerbic stabs at conservatism and conservatives.

I would stake my life that drilling will lead to more supply and subsequently, lower costs. I am baffled at those who claim somehow the fundamental laws of supply and demand don’t apply to our current oil situation. We need oil and most Americans would rather it come from US sources so hence the strong desire to drill. Now in conjunction with the drilling, we need conservation as GregRS mentions as well as investment in non-oil based enery sources. In my humble mind, I see this as being a reasonable position???

Ms Pelosi and Reid are the ones saying it's my way or the highway! Obama, I am not sure where he stands based on his many positions of late.

Drill more? A bit in sane places. Do I think the dem's tactics in congress are good right now? No, it frustrates me. Am I partisan dem? I'm somewhat leaning away from the repubs these days, mostly because many of their other policies are frustrating the heck out of me. But am I slam-dunk voting for Obama? Not at this point - still a toss up.


Well maybe over the next few months we can converse and just maybe, you'll change your view.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby Ken Coleman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:33 am

Both Political parties deserve about equal blame here. To blame this on the Democrats is wrong. The Republicans have had the majority in both houses for the first 4 years of this Bush administration and they did not open up more off shore drilling. In addition neither party wanted to confront the hard choices about developing other energy sources or more fuel efficient vehicles and only sky high oil has changed this. We should drill more AND develop other energy sources (Including Nuclear) AND give incentives to companies to produce more efficient vehicles.

Neither party has taken a responsible position on energy since Jimmy Carter was President.

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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby RBarnes » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:17 am

Ken Coleman wrote:Both Political parties deserve about equal blame here. To blame this on the Democrats is wrong. The Republicans have had the majority in both houses for the first 4 years of this Bush administration and they did not open up more off shore drilling. In addition neither party wanted to confront the hard choices about developing other energy sources or more fuel efficient vehicles and only sky high oil has changed this. We should drill more AND develop other energy sources (Including Nuclear) AND give incentives to companies to produce more efficient vehicles.

Neither party has taken a responsible position on energy since Jimmy Carter was President.

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OK what happened to the real Ken Coleman?
Clearly someone took over his account because I keep finding myself agreeing with whoever this new poster is. :wink:

Regarding the whole tire gauge thing with Obama, it's not that Obama is that far off. Keeping tires inflated will help. Programmable thermostats that turn down your heat when your at work or sleeping and don't need it as much help. Clean air filters help. There are a lot of things that we can do individually to cut down demand for oil and we all know demand is one of the three points to the economic triangle (Demand, Supply, Cost).

But have a potential leader stand up and propose checking our tires as the answer? It upsets people because they don't want something that might save them a tenth of a gallon a month, they want something that will lower the price they pay at the pump.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby Ken Coleman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:55 am

Rick (Luke) posted

OK what happened to the real Ken Coleman?
Clearly someone took over his account because I keep finding myself agreeing with whoever this new poster is.


Luke, Use the force! I knew you could be turned from the Dark side.

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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby RD » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:13 am

RBarnes wrote:But have a potential leader stand up and propose checking our tires as the answer? It upsets people because they don't want something that might save them a tenth of a gallon a month, they want something that will lower the price they pay at the pump.

He never said checking our tires is "the answer." His point is there are many simple things we call all do - today - to help reduce our demand. Perhaps you should read this again:
The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.

Politics ain't beanbag, and Obama has defended himself against worse smears. The real problem with the attacks on his tire-gauge plan is that efforts to improve conservation and efficiency happen to be the best approaches to dealing with the energy crisis — the cheapest, cleanest, quickest and easiest ways to ease our addiction to oil, reduce our pain at the pump and address global warming. It's a pretty simple concept: if our use of fossil fuels is increasing our reliance on Middle Eastern dictators while destroying the planet, maybe we ought to use less.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby Jeannine Stergios » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:48 am

RD

The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now


By the way, where did these numbers come from? Doesn't sound right to me.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby RBarnes » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:20 pm

RD wrote:He never said checking our tires is "the answer." His point is there are many simple things we call all do - today - to help reduce our demand.


Actually your right, he never did give an "answer" to the problems. He just spoke and spoke and mentioned simple things we can do to help but never provided a solution.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby Michael Pelletier » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:56 pm

RD wrote:He never said checking our tires is "the answer."

He said:

"There are things that you can do individually, though, to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated. Simple thing. We could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires? And.. and.. and getting regular tune ups? You could actually save just as much."

In other words, "drilling is not the answer, tire pressure and tune ups are."

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He disregards, as do most self-serving politicians, the fact that increasing population rapidly washes out conservation savings against total demand. It's simple math - demand per capita goes down 3%, population goes up 5%, total demand goes up 1.85%.

California learned this the hard way during the rolling-blackout days in the early '90s, that even the absolute best conservation measures in the face of rapidly increasing population at best only defers, and does not eliminate, the urgent need for increased energy production. NIMBY and intellectually dishonest environmentalist opposition blocked the construction of the Coyote Point power plant - at 7550 Monterey Hwy in San Jose, California - for many years, until the situation finally became so untenable that the only practical alternatives were thousands of smog-belching private diesel generators scattered across the valley, or a return to beeswax and whale oil.
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Re: The Tire-Gauge Solution: No Joke

Postby TCF » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:32 pm

Obama "We could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires? And.. and.. and getting regular tune ups? You could actually save just as much."

If that is the case, why don't we inflate our tires and dril, drill, drill, that would double the supply of oil and lower gas prices even more. As far as tuneups, most cars don't even need tuneups anymore. They are all controlled by on board computer chips. You people say conserve. Guess what people, there is not a shortage of oil. There is enough oil on this planet to last another thousand years. So why do I ask, should I trade in my SUV, libs would love that. That is their way of conserving, make everyone drive yugos. I don't think so. Why should I not take vacations, by car boat plane train and stay home to conserve. What a joke, THEIR IS NO FUEL SHORTAGE, only libs wanting to change every aspect of the way you live your lifes. Why aren't we all on board with Nuclear power. We all know that too. Another way to conserve oil. If Obama gets in, I guess we should all start building our corrals and buying horse and buggies again.
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