Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

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Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby platypusman » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:56 am

It is becoming comical the number of flip-flops Obama has done in the last few months. Here is another one, he knows he cannot hold his own in a debate so now he backs out. What a shame, the man has no courage.

By the way, did anyone see his AM news conference yesterday? Obama is probably one the best when he has the teleprompter but when he is asked a question live, he stumbles and bumbles and provides an incoherent response.

Obama backs away from McCain's debate challenge
Aug 2, 8:37 PM (ET)

By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from rival John McCain's challenge for a series of joint appearances, agreeing only to the standard three debates in the fall.

In May, when a McCain adviser proposed a series of pre-convention appearances at town hall meetings, Obama said, "I think that's a great idea." In summer stumping on the campaign trail, McCain has often noted that Obama had not followed through and joined him in any events.

Obama's reversal on town hall debates is part of a play-it-safe strategy he's adopted since claiming the nomination and grabbing a lead in national polls. Advisers to the Illinois senator, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss strategy, say Obama is reluctant to take chances or give McCain a high-profile stage now that Obama's the front-runner.

On Saturday, in a letter to the Commission on Presidential Debates, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said the short period between the last political convention and the first proposed debate made it likely that the commission-sponsored debates would be the only ones.

"We've committed to the three debates on the table," campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Saturday in an interview. "It's likely they will be the three appearances by the candidates this fall."

Asked by The Associated Press if that meant Obama would not agree to any other debates, Psaki said, "We're not saying that." She said the McCain campaign had rejected Obama's proposal for two joint town hall meetings.

McCain's campaign disparaged Obama for backing off. McCain has not yet formally agreed to the commission-sponsored debates, but the McCain campaign says he plans to.

"We understand it might be beneath a worldwide celebrity of Barack Obama's magnitude to appear at town hall meetings alongside John McCain and directly answer questions from the American people, but we hope he'll reconsider," spokesman Brian Rogers said.

The first debate planned by the commission is set for Sept. 26 in Oxford, Miss., three weeks after the Republican National Convention concludes Sept. 4. The Democratic convention is scheduled for Aug. 25-28.

The other presidential debates are set for Oct. 7 and Oct. 15 and the vice presidential debate for Oct. 2.

A day after Obama clinched the Democratic nomination in early June, McCain challenged Obama to a series of 10 town hall meetings. The candidates' campaigns began negotiations, telling reporters that they agreed in spirit to joint appearances.

When the idea first came up from the McCain campaign that May, Obama was still battling Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Obama said then: "Obviously, we would have to think through the logistics on that, but ... if I have the opportunity to debate substantive issues before the voters with John McCain, that's something that I am going to welcome."

In June, Plouffe had suggested Obama-McCain meetings more along the lines of the historic Lincoln-Douglas debates. During Abraham Lincoln's Senate campaign against Stephen Douglas in 1858, the candidates met seven times across Illinois. One spoke for an hour, the other for an hour and a half, and the first was allowed a half-hour rebuttal.

Plouffe said Saturday that Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois will be Obama's representative in further discussions with the commission.

The Commission on Presidential Debates, established in 1987, sponsors and produces debates featuring the presidential and vice presidential candidates of the major parties. The nonprofit and nonpartisan organization has sponsored all the presidential debates since 1988.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby andysinnh » Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:11 pm

platypusman wrote:It is becoming comical the number of flip-flops Obama has done in the last few months. Here is another one, he knows he cannot hold his own in a debate so now he backs out. What a shame, the man has no courage.

Considering the flip-flop McCain has done on negative campaigning with his recent ads, I can't say I blame Obama from wanting to back away from McCain's growing style of creating conflict and negativism. I'm sure something will evolve here, but to me, Obama's "flip flop" (as you say) is in direct relationship to McCain's similar "flip flop"

I will say that the most entertaining comment I heard was someone talking about the number of flip-flops that both McCain and Obama have done during this campaign. The quote (sic) was something like "McCain and Obama have so many flip-flops in their closet, they have a permanant reservation down in Margaritaville with Jimmy Buffet!" That one was funny!!! :lol:
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby platypusman » Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:31 pm

Andy you may believe what you want but I just don't see it your way.

Obama is really lacking once you delve beyond the mainstream media's veneer that has been created for him. I think that is why you see a tightening of the polls, Obama is really a weak candidate with limited experience and people see this and ask, would you want the most liberal Senator leading us in these most difficult times?
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby andysinnh » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:36 pm

platypusman wrote:Andy you may believe what you want but I just don't see it your way.

Obama is really lacking once you delve beyond the mainstream media's veneer that has been created for him. I think that is why you see a tightening of the polls, Obama is really a weak candidate with limited experience and people see this and ask, would you want the most liberal Senator leading us in these most difficult times?

It's more about not wanting another 4 years with a lot of similar stuff, which is what I'm feeling with McCain right now. I don't agree with everything Obama, but I also don't agree with everything McCain. Frankly, your blinders to anything democratic is getting tiring, as you appear to not have any position beyond "republican or bust". I have a feeling that even if a more "middle of the road" democrat were running, you'd still have "grave concerns" - and as such, any conversation with you would never be a debate - but a continued stance from your position of being "right" to anyone elses that disagrees with being "wrong". You're a smart guy, platy, but you certainly need to understand that just because someone doesn't believe in your views, they're not "wrong".
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby Wayne » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:40 pm

platypusman wrote:Andy you may believe what you want...

What a magnanimous offer - Jeannine made the same one to me this morning! But if this is the case, then why the daily barrage of negative posts telling us to do otherwise? I'm sure you will continue, but I guess that's okay given that you're convincing more people to go in the opposite direction of what you intend (unless you're a closet liberal using reverse psychology). I would love to hear from just one reader who has honestly changed his mind away from Obama based on your posts. Just one.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby T Dutton » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:04 pm

I posted this on another topic, However I feel my statement fits here as well.

We, as a country as so torn apart that nothing will get accomplished. No one is willing to look at the big picture. Politicians are only looking at party lines and how their policies will make the other party look bad. There is so much hate in this country and that will ruin us. Politicians need to look at what will strengthen this country as a nation and not their pockets or special interests. I would love to see an active and production third party.

Not one politician (Liberal or Consertive) is looking out for the good of the country. Obama wants Change? He can start by requesting term limits to the house, senate and judges. However, that will never happen or be allowed to happen. What a shame.

I consider myself to be a middle of the road consertive. In this election for the first time since ny first voting time in 1980, I have great concerns with both parties antics and have no idea who to vote for.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby andysinnh » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:23 pm

T Dutton wrote:In this election for the first time since ny first voting time in 1980, I have great concerns with both parties antics and have no idea who to vote for.

I concur...
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby Jeannine Stergios » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:48 pm

T Dutton

Not one politician (Liberal or Consertive) is looking out for the good of the country. Obama wants Change? He can start by requesting term limits to the house, senate and judges. However, that will never happen or be allowed to happen. What a shame.


That's the change this country needs and I have discussed this very thing on this forum. If only we knew how this could be accomplished. I am positive it's a change we would all agree with.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby TCF » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:17 pm

You want change, vote every single liberal out of office at local state and national levels. No stronger message could be sent to the so called conservatives in Washington. I include McCain as one of those so called conservatives of which he is not.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby Jeannine Stergios » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:58 pm

TCF

You want change, vote every single liberal out of office at local state and national levels. No stronger message could be sent to the so called conservatives in Washington. I include McCain as one of those so called conservatives of which he is not.


I always vote against liberals. And I agree - McCain is not a conservative.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby RD » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:52 pm

TCF wrote:You want change, vote every single liberal out of office at local state and national levels.

Oh look, another bottom-feeding right-wing attack machine hack has surfaced (shall we start counting the right-wing attack hacks?). Back under your bridge, troll.
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby Wayne » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:24 pm

RD wrote:Oh look, another bottom-feeding right-wing attack machine hack has surfaced (shall we start counting the right-wing attack hacks?). Back under your bridge, troll.

From far away, apparently. Troll it is. Anyone know any Merrimack people traveling near Hobe Sound, Florida this week?
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby platypusman » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:18 pm

andysinnh wrote:
platypusman wrote:Andy you may believe what you want but I just don't see it your way.

Obama is really lacking once you delve beyond the mainstream media's veneer that has been created for him. I think that is why you see a tightening of the polls, Obama is really a weak candidate with limited experience and people see this and ask, would you want the most liberal Senator leading us in these most difficult times?

It's more about not wanting another 4 years with a lot of similar stuff, which is what I'm feeling with McCain right now. I don't agree with everything Obama, but I also don't agree with everything McCain. Frankly, your blinders to anything democratic is getting tiring, as you appear to not have any position beyond "republican or bust". I have a feeling that even if a more "middle of the road" democrat were running, you'd still have "grave concerns" - and as such, any conversation with you would never be a debate - but a continued stance from your position of being "right" to anyone elses that disagrees with being "wrong". You're a smart guy, platy, but you certainly need to understand that just because someone doesn't believe in your views, they're not "wrong".


Andy as long as the Democratic party wants to take my hard earned money I will fight them till my last breadth!
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby RD » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:00 pm

platypusman wrote:I will fight them till my last breadth!

Don't you mean width?
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Re: Obama flip-flops on town hall meetings

Postby andysinnh » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:50 pm

And Platy, as long as the repubs decide to take my hard-earned money they already take and spend it on things I think aren't appropriate, I'll look at other candidates (dems or repubs) that will spend in a way I would more align with.
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