McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby Sybil Spence Rocca » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:56 am

Jeannine Stergios wrote:RD

I can't believe McCain would do this after what Bush and Rove did to him in 2000. I guess he'd rather win the presidency than stick to his word, and what he said were his principles.


If he were spreading lies or mistruths then yes I would agree. What isn't true in the ad? I guess Obama's ads against McCain are ok with you? I've seen a few of those as well. It's politics RD! IF you can't handle it without losing your mind then maybe you need to ignore the next few months of politics. It's going to get rough as it always does.


This is just the dumbest thing I've read so far today! You obviously have NEVER run a business or you wouldn't be talking like this! :shock:

Everything negative that is said or written about McCain is absolutely true! He has no business running for president! :shock:

I will continue my "Love Affair" with Barack.... Oh gosh! Isn't he just the dreamiest?

It's gonna get rough out there kids! Be VERY careful! 8)
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby Wayne » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:10 pm

andysinnh wrote:Now McCain is continuing his negative ads, comparing Obama to some celebrities (Brittney, Paris). This article talks about possible negative ramifications by going so negative. I didn't expect McCain to match some of the negative approaches shown by some in this forum. Will be interesting to see how this pans out for him.

One reaction: Paris Hilton's parents, who have donated the maximum to McCain's campaign are definitely not happy.
Kathy Hilton, however, was unpersuaded, calling the ad "a complete waste of the money John McCain's contributors have donated to his campaign."

Kathy Hilton and her husband donated a total of $4,600 to McCain's campaign earlier this year.

Paris Hilton's mom takes offense at McCain's humor
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby RBarnes » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:59 pm

andysinnh wrote:Now McCain is continuing his negative ads, comparing Obama to some celebrities (Brittney, Paris).


Andy, Wayne, RD...

Would you say it was out of line if Obama himself FIRST drew that comparison?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... ge=printer
Thursday, February 24, 2005; Page C01
"Andy Warhol said we all get our 15 minutes of fame," says Barack Obama. "I've already had an hour and a half. I mean, I'm so overexposed, I'm making Paris Hilton look like a recluse."

Obama drew the comparison between himself and Paris back in 2005, yet now when McCain says the same exact thing Obama first said himself it's somehow hitting below the belt?
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby Wayne » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:26 pm

Rick, I guess you are too young to remember when John Lennon quipped that The Beatles were more popular than Jesus. It was never meant to say any more than describe the crowds they were drawing at the time. It got quite the response, though. Happily, Obama's audience understood the remark.

But McCain's ad seems all about just trying to ridicule Obama and draw an intelligence comparison with vacuous celebrities that people love to dump on. Just because he is drawing crowds. Where's the point in that? Shouldn't John McCain be telling us something about John McCain? He seems to have learned this strategy from previous GOP campaigns - is he next going to tell us about the black child fathered by Obama? :D
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby Linda Nickerson » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:00 am

He seems to have learned this strategy from previous GOP campaigns


Doesn't that extremely ethical person Karl Rove ( :shock: )have something to do with his campaign now?
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby andysinnh » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:07 am

This is an absolute riot http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... on_an.html

And the funny part is that the McCain camp actually RESPONDED to the parody. Time to pop more popcorn as this saga unfolds!
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby RBarnes » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:31 pm

andysinnh wrote:This is an absolute riot http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... on_an.html

And the funny part is that the McCain camp actually RESPONDED to the parody. Time to pop more popcorn as this saga unfolds!


She cracks me up. That ad proves she has a good sense of humor if nothing else.

If McCain were a little funnier he would have said something like "Hi I'm the old guy and yes she is hot." or something like that in his response.
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby andysinnh » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:18 pm

Actually - a serious question. Within her entertaining parody on the McCain ad, she has an interesting energy policy compromise, that shockingly is somewhere near where I'm planted - that being to do limited offshore drilling with minimal environmental impact, as well as active incentives for automotive industry innovation for alternative fuels. Is this too "middle of the road" for some of the folks on this forum? I was actually impressed at how well she articulated this point, especially given the other stuff she did around it.

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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby RBarnes » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:29 pm

And as expected... Obama gets attacked, Obama changes his views.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25974097

Obama now DOES support limited off shore drilling. So now I guess all the democrats who claimed McCain was wrong will change their argument to say he's still wrong but find a new reason to say why.
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby Wayne » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:11 pm

RBarnes wrote:And as expected... Obama gets attacked, Obama changes his views.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25974097

Obama now DOES support limited off shore drilling. So now I guess all the democrats who claimed McCain was wrong will change their argument to say he's still wrong but find a new reason to say why.

Rick, you've really got to give your cynicism a rest once in a while.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage — I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."
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"The Republicans and the oil companies have been really beating the drums on drilling," Obama said in the Post interview. "And so we don't want gridlock. We want to get something done."

Later, Obama issued a written statement warmly welcoming a proposal sent to Senate leaders Friday by 10 senators — five from each party. Their proposal seeks to break the impasse over offshore oil development and is expected to be examined more closely in September after Congress returns from its summer recess.

The so-called Gang of 10 plan would lift drilling bans in the eastern Gulf of Mexico within 50 miles of Florida's beaches and in the South Atlantic off Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia, but only if a state agrees to the oil and gas development along its coast. The states would share in revenues from oil and gas development.
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The plan also includes energy initiatives Obama has endorsed. "It would repeal tax breaks for oil companies so that we can invest billions in fuel-efficient cars, help our automakers re-tool, and make a genuine commitment to renewable sources of energy like wind power, solar power, and the next generation of clean, affordable biofuels," Obama noted.

"Like all compromises, it also includes steps that I haven't always supported," Obama conceded. "I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."


Nevertheless, Obama said the plan, put forward by mostly moderates and conservatives led by Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., "represents a good faith effort at a new bipartisan beginning."


You are obviously determined to dislike Obama, but please revisit the article for a few minutes. He continues to be reluctant about off-shore drilling, and isn't softening his position just because, as you put it, "Obama gets attacked, Obama changes his views.". The Gang of 10 has put out a proposal that deserves the consideration of ALL Republicans and Democrats. Obama's willingness to try to help it move forward should be commended, not ridiculed.

I hope McCain shows the same willingness to work on this reasonable compromise. When he did his reversal on drilling two months ago, it wasn't in the interest of compromise, it was in the interest of votes. I'm not going to attack him for it, I'm just going to hope he joins the movement now, whatever his motivations.

The energy issue is not owned by either party, it's everyone's problem, and the only way we're going to get anything done is to work together. That means to stop all the accusations and lies. For example, I believe you among others here keep repeating misrepresentations about Obama's position on nuclear power, declaring him dead set against it. In truth, he is steadfast that it must be developed safely and with a solution in place for disposal of the nuclear waste. Is that really such a bad thing? (Answer as an engineer, not a Republican)

I suspect Shannon would be in Obama's corner, and I also will assume you don't think she's an idiot. Give her and the rest of us a little credit for having thought things out as hard as you do. Let go of just a little of that suspicion (visit a few less ultra-conservative websites for awhile :D ), and try seeing Obama as a good father, a loving husband, and true patriot. And I'll admit that McCain is the same - I simply disagree with some of his views and with his recent campaign strategy.

Ken C is right, we have two candidates that are both head and shoulders above the currently elected White House resident. Let's encourage them, and all of us, to bring out the best in each other.
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Re: McCain begins to match Obama with "flip flops"

Postby RBarnes » Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:14 pm

Wayne wrote:and try seeing Obama as a good father, a loving husband, and true patriot.


Wayne, I don't doubt for a minute that Obama loves his family. I do question his being a patriot based on his whole campaign of changing this country... I think we have a pretty damn good country and I don't want to see it changed into a socialistic utopia or UN extension.
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