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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:10 pm


Have you ever posted anything about something you liked about him? It seems to me that you made up your mind a long time ago.


I have not really thought about Obama personally however my research has shown me that many of his ideas and proposals would hurt our country.
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby RD » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:22 pm

platypusman wrote:I have not really thought about Obama personally however my research has shown me that many of his ideas and proposals would hurt our country.

Do you think any of Obama's ideas and proposals would help our country?
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:50 pm

Mr. RD so far I see that Obama's economic plan would be very detrimental, in simple terms it:

1. Provides for too much spending on unproven programs to jumpstart the economy
2. Fosters class warfare with his "tax the rich mantra"
3. Enables the entitlements to continue to grow unabated
4. Bails out housing speculators
5. Could force a trade war with current partners due to a belligerent attitude
6. Attempts to socialize energy production
7. Creates a riff between labor and management with his bellicose pro union stance
8. Growing government influence into private live with his meddlesome plans for work leave
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby fog » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:25 pm

platypusman wrote:I have not really thought about Obama personally however my research has shown me that many of his ideas and proposals would hurt our country.


You haven't thought about him?

It seems to me that you've already made up your mind against him. In that case, you might want to look into what McCain has to offer; he seems more in line with your stance on the issues.
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:28 pm

fog wrote:
platypusman wrote:I have not really thought about Obama personally however my research has shown me that many of his ideas and proposals would hurt our country.


You haven't thought about him?

It seems to me that you've already made up your mind against him. In that case, you might want to look into what McCain has to offer; he seems more in line with your stance on the issues.


I want to spend a bit more time on Obama. I was hoping that people who support him and are familar with his view would be able to offer a case for them based on facts. I was counting on this to help me better understand Obama. Instead, I sense a hostility towards raising issues and questions about Obama.
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby fog » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:47 pm

platypusman wrote:I want to spend a bit more time on Obama.


So you're still considering voting for him, then?

platypusman wrote:Instead, I sense a hostility towards raising issues and questions about Obama.


See, people who are genuinely researching a candidate don't start threads like, "Flip-flop: Betrayed by Obama," "Obama is terribly divisive," or "The Democratic loathing against the military continues."
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby Wayne » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:25 pm

platypusman wrote:I want to spend a bit more time on Obama. I was hoping that people who support him and are familar with his view would be able to offer a case for them based on facts. I was counting on this to help me better understand Obama. Instead, I sense a hostility towards raising issues and questions about Obama.

Since you've been doing this research for more than 6 months now, surely you've got some sort of draft report started. (Any ex-military person knows all about preparing reports.) If there's reason to fear him, I think we all need to know that. You ask others here to provide you answers - collaborate is a word I think you have used. If you would be willing to share the report you've developed so far, perhaps we can help you out, and at the same time we'll get some guidance on how to effectively research John McCain.
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:27 pm

Wayne wrote:
platypusman wrote:I want to spend a bit more time on Obama. I was hoping that people who support him and are familar with his view would be able to offer a case for them based on facts. I was counting on this to help me better understand Obama. Instead, I sense a hostility towards raising issues and questions about Obama.

Since you've been doing this research for more than 6 months now, surely you've got some sort of draft report started. (Any ex-military person knows all about preparing reports.) If there's reason to fear him, I think we all need to know that. You ask others here to provide you answers - collaborate is a word I think you have used. If you would be willing to share the report you've developed so far, perhaps we can help you out, and at the same time we'll get some guidance on how to effectively research John McCain.


I hope my posts are informative. They are based on the research but I am sorry, I have no amalgamated document.
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby Wayne » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:37 pm

May I then suggest you've wasted over 6 months of your life, if after all that time you've reached no conclusions and have not even begun to draft a report?
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:02 pm

Wayne wrote:May I then suggest you've wasted over 6 months of your life, if after all that time you've reached no conclusions and have not even begun to draft a report?


I just have to keep plugging away I guess. Hopefully, by the election I will be ready!
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby RD » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:05 pm

platypusman wrote:I just have to keep plugging away I guess. Hopefully, by the election I will be ready!

Do you think any of Obama's ideas and proposals would help our country?
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:42 am

Do you think any of Obama's ideas and proposals would help our country?


I am looking into this and I am almost convinced his tax policy proposals would be very detrimental to our economy. What is most troubling about Obama is his lack of conviction to anything. Here is a list of Obama flip-flops from Black America's The Daily Voice.

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Obama's Top Ten Flip Flops

1. SPECIAL INTERESTS. In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.

2. THE CUBA EMBARGO. In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."

3. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."

4. DECRIMINALIZATION OF MARAJUANA. While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

5. NAFTA. During the primary season, Obama hammered Hillary Clinton for her support of NAFTA as First Lady, calling the free trade agreement "devastating" and "a big mistake." Now, in an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine's upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee said that NAFTA has indeed been positive for the US in some ways, and that his earlier criticism - while trying to convince white blue collar voters in some states to vote for him - was 'overheated and amplified.'

6. THE DEATH PENALTY. Ten years ago, when Obama was running for statewide office in an ultra-liberal Chicago district, he opposed the death penalty. As Obama announced this week, he now supports the ultimate penalty.

7. HANDGUN BAN. For 8 years--before becoming a US Senator--Obama sat on the board of a non-profit which contributed $2.7 million to efforts advocating for a complete ban on handguns. (Before that, Obama filled out a questionnaire in 1996 stating that he supported a ban on the manufacture, sale AND POSSESSION of handguns.) But starting with his primary campaign in the gun popular Midwest, Obama now opposes such legislation, and claims to support gun owner's rights.

8. PROPOSED FISA LAW IMMUNITY FOR TELECOMS. In October, 2007, Obama pledged that if the FISA bill contained an immunity provision for telecoms, he would not only oppose the bill, he would help block it through a filibuster. This week, he voted for the bill, telecom immunity provisions and all.

9. PUBLIC FINANCING FOR OBAMA'S GENERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN. In November, 2007, Obama issued a written pledge to opt into the public campaign finance system for the general presidential election, if the Republican nominee also did so. John McCain immediately accepted the pledge, which acceptance Obama acknowledged in writing in November 2007. After he became the Republican nominee, McCain opted into the public finance system (as he pledged to do), but Obama broke his pledge and opted out.

10. THE WAR IN IRAQ. In 2004--when Obama was running for the United States Senate-- Barack Obama not only said that he was open to a U.S. troop increase in Iraq, but warned against a premature troop withdrawal as a "slap in the face to the troops fighting there" which could make Iraq "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity." Fast forward to Obama's presidential campaign premised in large part on an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

These 10 examples evince 180 degree changes by the Senator from Chicago on fundamental issues going to the core of Obama as a candidate, and provide important indications of whether the "change" candidate will do what he promises to do in the campaign to court our votes.

Legitimate questions are also raised as to whether Obama is accurately portraying himself during the election process, or is he simply feinting to the middle like the good basketball player he is? How many more Obama flip-flops can we expect before November 2008, and to what extent can the "change" candidate continue to portray himself a different kind of politician who rejects "politics as usual"?

Also another note. While he has flip flopped on many issues Barack Obama has had to backtrack on foreign policy issues, just recently on Jerusalem. He tried to outdo John McCain at AIPAC by insisting that Jerusalem remain the undivided capital of Israel. The Palestinians erupted in anger at that statement, and by the end of the day they had Obama backpedaling...not sure if its a flip flop. I guess its debatable!
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby platypusman » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:17 pm

The black community was protesting Obama today. Based on the Rev Wright connection, pulling the race card against McCain, the negative campaign towards Bill and Hillary Clinton and now this, I grow more convinced that Obama is really a divisive person.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

African American protestors heckle Obama

Aug 1 11:11 AM US/Eastern

'What About The Black Community?': Black Protestors Heckle Obama

African American protestors holding a banner reading "What about the black community Obama?" heckled Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama in Florida on Friday.
Three men stood up as Obama was talking about the economy during a townhall meeting in St Petersburg in Florida, a key battleground state in Obama's duel with Republican John McCain in November's election.

"What about the black community?" the protestors chanted, prompting Obama's crowd of supporters to chant his slogan "Yes We Can" to drown them out.
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby Wayne » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:05 pm

"The Black Community" is only 3 people??? ;-)
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Re: Obama is terribly divisive

Postby RD » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:16 pm

Wayne wrote:"The Black Community" is only 3 people??? ;-)

Awww Wayne, cut him some slack, the platypus is clearly not very bright. Just smile and nod....
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